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steveflux ( 6)
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| | Posted: Wed 28 May 2008 9:53 | |
I am at present using this program on a laptop for recording. My knowledge of producing is extremely limited. Does anyone use this program and if so do you have any tips? Anything helpful will be much appreciated.
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steveflux (6)
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| | Posted: Thu 29 May 2008 7:22 | |
That's the point - I don't really know what i'm doing and I am a beginner, well when it comes to producing anyway. Your comments are helpful though, I am looking to purchase a version of Cubase in the very near future so i'm hoping I will have better luck with that. This program seems a bit too confusing, I know that might make me sound a bit thick to you more professional people, but I can't really get to grips with it at the moment. I will probably finish off the EP that i'm currently working on (doesn't include my profile track, that was the last EP) and then purchase Cubase. Are their any free downloads of earlier Cubase versions available so I can get a feel for it? Thank you kindly for your help and comments.
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| | Posted: Thu 29 May 2008 8:44 | |
I'm of the opinion you could 'find your feet' with something like Magix before moving onto more pro stuff like Cubase. I think Mancini (bless him) always comes at these things from a pro perspective when not all musicians are at that stage yet. For example you might literally only be doing some 'bedroom' recording with a view to seeing what it's like and getting some basic demos down. For years I used a Tascam 4 track to record to, then I'd play what I'd recorded from the Tascam into my PC via the mic socket, onto a simple audio recorder, before tidying it up with a basic application called Waveedit! Literally, I had the entire song as one audio file that I then cleaned up on the PC. At the time I thought it sounded pretty good too! But at least it helped take a first step into recording before I moved onto more pro gear.
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| | Posted: Thu 29 May 2008 9:52 | |
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mancini (96)
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| | Posted: Thu 29 May 2008 10:41 | |
My advice would be to look for one of the more industry standard packages...then go to youtube and type in tutorial... plus the name of the software you are using...there are some very helpfull tutorial online..... from beginers to advanced levels.... if you been working with magix for a wile...im sure you will pick up pretty quick with the new software... in all honesty why limit yourself with low budget software...when you can get studio quality software now days for next to nothing....most softwear you can download for free using torrent sites...or even buy a cheap copy from ebay..or pm me and i can sort you out a decent package cheap  like you said you been using magix because your a beginer...maybe its time for you to step it up a gear and move to the next level?...i was probably been a bit blunt.... but i was speaking from my own standards.
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rabs (48)
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| | Posted: Thu 29 May 2008 11:03 | |
My advice for what its worth is go for Cubase studio 4, it uses the same audio engine as nuendo and the full cubase 4 but doesnt contain all the pro plug-ins i.e multiband compressor etc etc, and some of the channel routing options are not there. However for a home based producer/muso who mixes in the box (no outboard gear) its the best out there in my opinion. As you progress you can purchase 3rd party compressors and effects as you go along and invest some time on reading the reviews of the plug-ins.
Steinberg support is a little bit lacking, so if you get problems dont expect a quick fix but you should be able to get to grips with studio 4 fairly quick, the user guides are very good.
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steveflux (6)
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| | Posted: Thu 29 May 2008 11:32 | |
Thanks so much for all your time, help and advice guys - really appreciate it
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| | Posted: Thu 29 May 2008 19:39 | |
cheap old versions of cubase are easy to find (I'm still using VST) and an old version of reason can be made to run in sync and greatly expands your options. I just bought a couple of reference books on them from amazon and taught myself, i'm an amateur muso and found these 2 together were quite easy to sus out but provide plenty of scope as you become more familiar with them. but chris is dead right about the sound card and also put aside some money for a decent mic too - it makes all the difference though obviously you can upgrade as you go along.
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Gilmour1978 (8)
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| | Posted: Sat 31 May 2008 17:11 | |
Mancini.... You cheeky sod!!! I'm using Magic Music Studio Deluxe 12!!!
Just kidding, your right! I bought that when I was a bit more flush with cash. Main priority was some decent musical equipment but I wanted some cheap software just to sketch out some ideas. Only cost £25 so for the use i've got out of it then i'd say it was a good buy. As i've got more into the recording side of things i've begun to notice it's serious limitations. Think it's ok for beginners for people on a serious budget who want to lay down some basic demos, as was the case with me at the time, but would never use it for a serious project. As soon as i've got the cash i'll be going for the pro software. Still got Reason and Cubase on a disk somewhere but won't work with Vista.
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jonmy7 (96)
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| | Posted: Wed 25 Jun 2008 9:42 | |
The Magix (and eJay) products were my first introduction to computer music.
Cubase 4 LE (the cheap, light version) has everything you need (software wise) to record your music. Serious produces needing more vsts/ more features though. Cubase 4 LE often comes free with hardware products... so if you are looking to buy something it's worth checking what software comes with it.
There is an upgrade path from Cubase 4 LE to the more advanced versions. This means you can start cheap, see if it has enough features and upgrade if/ when needed.
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| | Posted: Thu 26 Jun 2008 7:01 | |
Yeah, I do see how a musician might not like DAWs - their 'energy' wants to outpour smoothly in large waves, rather than feel hindered and frustrated at what is felt as piddly DAW clicking.
Personally, I hate DAWs (despite, granted, impressive software engineering): I hate talking about them; I hate the snobbery of brand - eeesh; I hate words like 'plug-in', 'compression', 'latency' and 'db'.
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rabs (48)
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| | Posted: Thu 26 Jun 2008 11:43 | |
I can see the argument, DAWs are problematic and sometimes unreliable, they interupt the creative flow too much. The art is really understanding how the DAW works and keeping it nice and healthy like a car engine. However if thats not your forte and all you wanna do is write and play music then hire a studio and let the experts do that stuff and leave yourself for 100% creativity. Believe me it takes along time to grasp the art of mixing sound!! its not summat you can teach either....well you can but in the end its your ears that tell you.
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jonmy7 (96)
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| | Posted: Sat 28 Jun 2008 17:00 | |
I've had no problems with Cubase (using an outboard soundcard that is) but my computer is underspec to run it.
I prefer to record on my harddisk recorder. Switch on, hit a button, record. No messing around waiting for computer to load, drivers, software blah blah 
Then upload to cubase for more complex arrangements.
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